View Full Version : Plesk vs H-Sphere vs Cpanel vs Others
khimhong
16-11-2002, 10:02
Which one in your opinion is good?
Any kind soul can tell me the price of Plesk 5.0 as well ?
Which one huh... Plesk... H-Sphere... WHM/Cpanel... Others...
H-Sphere is good and are able to manage multiple servers.
Well... my opinion will be No Control Panel... :D
Thanks.
Kindest regards,
Choon
khimhong
17-11-2002, 06:19
No Control Panel - NO need sell webhosting liao.
Heng Chai
17-11-2002, 13:15
SG.GS does not have a full control panel and we still have customers. Your assumption is totally untrue and misleading.
Originally posted by sinnerzone
No Control Panel - NO need sell webhosting liao.
Not true as it depends on yoru targetted customers/prospects ;)
Thanks.
Kindest regards,
Choon
khimhong
19-11-2002, 05:32
hmm but without a control panel, a lot of things cannot be done right ?
a control panel is basically a collection of scripts that will help in the execution of various tasks.
The lack of a control panel DOES NOT mean that things cannot be done, its just that it has to be done manually by keying in all the commands etc ... A control panel simply makes the tasks slightly easier and providers the end-user with a certain level of control instead of always depending on the host provider.
khimhong
19-11-2002, 09:19
hmm yah..i think a control panel makes it user-friendly.
control panel is for starter, who only want to execute some commands within a few clicks (for example create email account). Control panel makes life easy, but not flexible enough. Just like you can choose to use GUI or command line in Linux.
khimhong
19-11-2002, 09:37
oh i see. but in your opinion, do you think a control panel is required ?
Heng Chai
19-11-2002, 10:28
To put it bluntly, if you cannot handle system administration via console, go install a control panel. The control panel doesn't only help users, its for system admins who don't know/don't want to do anything directly.
khimhong
19-11-2002, 11:09
ok. got your meaning.
iluvMilk
19-11-2002, 13:41
Originally posted by SG.GS
To put it bluntly, if you cannot handle system administration via console, go install a control panel.
looking at the way you put it, you seems to have a thing or two against control panel. Are you trying to say the whole busload of the US hosting providers don't know how to handle system administration? :idea:
But hat's off to you, I see from your web site that you got over 10000 customers.. :bowdown:
How many servers do you own actually? 2? 3?
Heng Chai
19-11-2002, 13:59
"Are you trying to say the whole busload of the US hosting providers don't know how to handle system administration?"
Please kindly quote somewhere where I've said that or tried to say that. All I did was offer factual advice to sinnerzone. Or do you want to deny that control panels are not meant to help system administrators? I'm very sure I mentioned "don't know/don't want", which includes non-technical inclined system admins AND system admins who prefer the help that control panels.
I don't have anything against control panels, I am against the biased and one-sided thinking that "you cannot run a webhosting business without a full control panel". The US made changes in the industry with the introduction of control panels, and this has made a lot of people very happy with the ease of use. But generalising control panels as a must for webhosting is totally untrue.
Regarding the number of servers we have, I'll just say its more than enough to handle the sites we host. We don't oversell our space or CPU/RAM resources.
iluvMilk
19-11-2002, 14:17
Originally posted by SG.GS
"Are you trying to say the whole busload of the US hosting providers don't know how to handle system administration?"
Please kindly quote somewhere where I've said that or tried to say that. All I did was offer factual advice to sinnerzone. Or do you want to deny that control panels are not meant to help system administrators? I'm very sure I mentioned "don't know/don't want", which includes non-technical inclined system admins AND system admins who prefer the help that control panels.
I don't have anything against control panels, I am against the biased and one-sided thinking that "you cannot run a webhosting business without a full control panel". The US made changes in the industry with the introduction of control panels, and this has made a lot of people very happy with the ease of use. But generalising control panels as a must for webhosting is totally untrue.
Regarding the number of servers we have, I'll just say its more than enough to handle the sites we host. We don't oversell our space or CPU/RAM resources.
well you just said it bluntly.
Majority of the US providers are using control panel - in fact it's one of the SOP items to have for the industry over there.
If you do not oversell your CPU/RAM resources, can I say you are over quoting your customer base? You seems to be bigger or equal than webvisions or any well establised hosting providers in Singapore.
I seriously doubt your creditability in this forum given the last week's saga about your downtime and all the rubbish you claimed to have.
Obviously that 12700 customers need some editing as well? Or your partner has forgotten about it?
Heng Chai
19-11-2002, 15:09
Over-quoting or not, I'll leave Kevin to handle it. The webpage was not done by me. I'm solely a techie only. I'll only quote my technical side which is that we do not oversell our CPU/RAM resources.
As for creditability, its up to your personal justification. My justification to the company, myself and my clients is that it has been both our fault and our network provider, and we're willing to take the blame and have already written a full report to our clients with regards to the downtime, resolving the problem and future prevention. We have handled the situation as well as we could and I can proudly say we did our best during the downtime when answering our clients calls (we did NOT avoid anyone) and resolving the matter in the quickest possible time plus work out a future prevention plan to assure our customers of any problems in the future. We've did our best and we did not hide anything from of our clients.
iluvMilk
19-11-2002, 15:38
Originally posted by SG.GS
Over-quoting or not, I'll leave Kevin to handle it. The webpage was not done by me. I'm solely a techie only. I'll only quote my technical side which is that we do not oversell our CPU/RAM resources.
As for creditability, its up to your personal justification. My justification to the company, myself and my clients is that it has been both our fault and our network provider, and we're willing to take the blame and have already written a full report to our clients with regards to the downtime, resolving the problem and future prevention. We have handled the situation as well as we could and I can proudly say we did our best during the downtime when answering our clients calls (we did NOT avoid anyone) and resolving the matter in the quickest possible time plus work out a future prevention plan to assure our customers of any problems in the future. We've did our best and we did not hide anything from of our clients.
So as a partner/owner of SG.GS, you leave it blindly to your website to tell you your company facts and figures? And you conveniently tell your customers "yes we have 12700 customers and growing". Despite the facts that you are buying rackspace off another company who is colocating in Starhub?
Displaying false information to advertise your business and push the blame to your "designer" when caught with your pants down really prove my point about your creditability. PERIOD!
:liar
Heng Chai
19-11-2002, 16:04
Go ahead and say what you want. I trust my designer/partner that he knows what he's doing. What's wrong with me delegating work to other people? I do my job, he does his.
Since you mentioned it, I've removed the "12,700" from the page. Feel free to continue to pick out the errors on our pages and I'll make adjustments as required. Thank you.
Just another note, the thread is talking about control panels. If you wish to pick out the errors, please PM me and I'll have it fixed. I think we have disrupted this thread far enough.
Look around SG.GS website but never notice any 12700 number.
A case of a "disappearing" act ?
iluvMilk
19-11-2002, 16:15
this was previously on SG.GS company profile
Taken from SG.GS
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SG.GS (www.sg.gs), is a Web hosting and Internet solutions provider, domain name registrar (DNR) and application service provider (ASP) serving 12,700 individual consumers and businesses in Asia-Pacific Region specifically Singapore, Australia, Malaysia, Hong Kong and Thailand.
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Now the "designer" just changed it to
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SG.GS (www.sg.gs), is a Web hosting and Internet solutions provider, domain name registrar (DNR) and application service provider (ASP) serving individual consumers and businesses in Asia-Pacific Region specifically Singapore, Australia, Malaysia, Hong Kong and Thailand.
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I am just waiting for you to change the text to prove you're all rubbish. :kill
P.S. You are not a registrar, you are a domain name reseller of OpenSRS. I don't see SG.GS listed under ICANN.
:nono:
Looking around and see that SG.GS got 2 servers . If 12700 number is true, SG.GS will be making alot of money.
Example - each customer pay $5 a month per account. 12700 account means $63,500 a month ... Unbelievable !
The cost of the 2 server cannot be more than $10,000 a month - so SG.GS at least have $53,000 PURE PROFIT a month.
Now I understand the sudden craze in becoming a web host - There is so much money at stake.
iluvMilk
19-11-2002, 16:22
Originally posted by SG.GS
Go ahead and say what you want. I trust my designer/partner that he knows what he's doing. What's wrong with me delegating work to other people? I do my job, he does his.
Since you mentioned it, I've removed the "12,700" from the page. Feel free to continue to pick out the errors on our pages and I'll make adjustments as required. Thank you.
Just another note, the thread is talking about control panels. If you wish to pick out the errors, please PM me and I'll have it fixed. I think we have disrupted this thread far enough.
Then why did you remove it? Since you know nothing about your customer base, shouldn't you wait for your partner to confirm that you do not have 12700 or 127000 thousands million customers?
You're full of it. Nuff said!
Heng Chai
19-11-2002, 16:27
Registrar changed to reseller. Thanks.
Originally posted by iluvMilk
Then why did you remove it? Since you know nothing about your customer base, shouldn't you wait for your partner to confirm that you do not have 12700 or 127000 thousands million customers?
You're full of it. Nuff said!
Wow got so many meh ?
khimhong
20-11-2002, 13:48
ermm...can we keep back to topic ? thanks.
<<Admin Note : Please stay on topic regarding discussion of control panels>>
what was the edited post about?
Originally posted by biggulp
what was the edited post about?
?
Originally posted by chin
<<Admin Note : Please stay on topic regarding discussion of control panels>> this one
Originally posted by biggulp
this one
:rolleyes:
khimhong
20-11-2002, 16:54
so which control panel is good ?
Originally posted by biggulp
what was the edited post about?
This is to remind our members to stay on topics. Instead of discussing about which control panels to use, it result in discussion of other stuff..
khimhong
20-11-2002, 22:44
so can somebody answer me pls ?
Originally posted by sinnerzone
so can somebody answer me pls ?
Depends on personal
I dont recommend Plesk as from lots of forum i have learnt that it has many internal problems and eats a lot of HDD space of the server. even the smtp mails have failed a lot of times. lots of kernel errors and site downtimes have been known. it needs constant monitoring and cant handle large loads and sites.
I would highly recommend H-Sphere.. It is a very good control panel with a lot of features and very user friendly. Their support also have been very good and they help you solve problems with your server without having to pay then anything for it, which is quite different from the other CP providers that charge one-time or per hour for support.
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