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I am thinking of getting a 2nd-hand server and co-locate it with one of the ISPs here. I am currently using a dedicated server based overseas and working out the viability of having my own server here. Any clue or any offer for a good 2nd-hand server, preferrably with license for the OS (NT or W2K).
khimhong
05-02-2003, 06:01
well..i am not sure if this site does sell second hand servers but i noe they do sell notebooks etc... you might want to drop by the site or email them for details.
www.clearanceclub.com
Heng Chai
05-02-2003, 13:09
Check out hardwarezone, both the forums and the classifieds. There were some servers for sale some time ago.
You also can check the thread about servers in SGWHT also.
Finally, just grab any 2nd hand PC from someone and install Windows 2000. The license should put you back by anywhere from 1 to 2 thousand.
khimhong
06-02-2003, 22:57
perhaps rackshack.net do offer too ?
Heng Chai
07-02-2003, 08:16
sinnerzone: He said to colocate at a local ISP.
IWI, which has a great offer on dedicated server (from S$180 p.m.) is also allowing me to install my own software and setup the server before it is plugged-in. That, I think, is great. I would most likely go with them unless something beter comes along.
I am now looking for cheap Win2K software to buy. Any pointers?
Thanks for all your suggestions so far.
khimhong
07-02-2003, 22:08
IWI's offer is indeed very cheap, but consider the fact that it does not comes with any control panel, it would not be ideal if you are starting a local web hosting business. Perhaps, you might want to get free control panel but they may not be as good.
Wink2K software -- What do you mean ? The OS itself ?
Heng Chai
07-02-2003, 22:22
He's installing his own custom software to host. That's why he needs a dedicated server. He's not using it for selling webhosting if I'm not wrong.
Win2K should mean the server OS. It'll probably cost anywhere from $500 to $2000 depending on OEM or Retail. You can source for this at Funan Centre.
Originally posted by sinnerzone
IWI's offer is indeed very cheap, but consider the fact that it does not comes with any control panel, it would not be ideal if you are starting a local web hosting business. Perhaps, you might want to get free control panel but they may not be as good.
Wink2K software -- What do you mean ? The OS itself ?
Thought they included Ensim?
khimhong
08-02-2003, 05:31
Originally posted by Zoomer
Thought they included Ensim?
you have to pay for an internal license if i am not wrong.
michaelfoo
08-02-2003, 09:02
I agreed with sinnerzone. I don't think someone will sell the server together with a control panel. BTW, try to confirm if they include you an ORIGINAL operating system for that server because normally if that server runs the latest os, they will just format that server and keep the os license for their new server. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Originally posted by michaelfoo
I agreed with sinnerzone. I don't think someone will sell the server together with a control panel. BTW, try to confirm if they include you an ORIGINAL operating system for that server because normally if that server runs the latest os, they will just format that server and keep the os license for their new server. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Huh? Does it really matter?
You can just get a new build, install it.
I think they should format the server, best if they wipe it clean so that I won't have to contend with their client list/cc details/whatever.
khimhong
08-02-2003, 10:20
OS isn't cheap. They will only give you the OS license if the server is not cheap lor.. haha that's becuase they added in the OS license money and claim that its free for you..
michaelfoo
08-02-2003, 10:23
Huh? Does it really matter?
You can just get a new build, install it.
I think they should format the server, best if they wipe it clean so that I won't have to contend with their client list/cc details/whatever.
Of course they will do so. The only question is whether they will reinstall the OS, or they'll just sell you a *new* unit.
I am installing my own custom software which need the Win2K OS (sigh...). Thus, I need to buy Win2K, install it and the custom software. But I am also hoping to host some sites on it.
Questions:
1. Can I do that without any Control Panel in Win2K or does Win2K come with some simple control panel accessible remotely?
2. If I need to access my dedicated server remotely to configure my custom software or Win2K, can I use something like PCAnywhere?
You guys are great, glad I bumped into SGWHT. Thanks!
khimhong
08-02-2003, 12:04
1. Can I do that without any Control Panel in Win2K or does Win2K come with some simple control panel accessible remotely?
I do not think you need to have any control panel purchased or installed in your case here.
However, to test out your softwares, you might need to pay visits to the data centre to install them on.
2. If I need to access my dedicated server remotely to configure my custom software or Win2K, can I use something like PCAnywhere?
Regarding this, I thnk its possible.
michaelfoo
08-02-2003, 13:25
2. If I need to access my dedicated server remotely to configure my custom software or Win2K, can I use something like PCAnywhere?
I do not think it is possible unless your ISP allows you to do so. This is to prevent you from installing illegal software (pirated). Normally you can just hand them the CD and they will install it for you. Correct me if I'm wrong.
IWI, allows me to install and prepare the server first off-site before they plug-in to the IDC, so I am thinking of installing the Win2K, custom software and PcAnyWhere (all licensed of course) first before handing it back to them. Good idea?
jameslieow
08-02-2003, 14:00
i don't see why you can't do that
michaelfoo
08-02-2003, 14:07
ptham: Shan't be a problem this way... :) Good luck!!
Heng Chai
08-02-2003, 19:23
RealVNC. Its a free remote control software similiar to PCAnywhere. Its accessible via webpage (java applet) also, so you can practically control your server from anywhere.
Just a note, if you are installing only the custom OS (Not using IIS), my guess is you can probably make do with Windows 2000 Professional instead. You'll save a load of cash there. Windows 2000 Server is simply required for the IIS server.
Finally, you don't need a control panel to manage the server. The server is typically just like any windows 2000 machine, whether professional or server. The hosting control panel is only needed if you intend to do webhosting for clients.
Heng Chai, I do provide web hosting for websites I worked on. I do not sell space via the web like you guys but I do have a growing list of sites which I develop and host.
Do I still need Win2K Server with IIS? I need to be able to create FTP accounts, e-mail accounts, etc.
polarbear
09-02-2003, 09:42
If you want to cut costs, go on Linux. :D
khimhong
09-02-2003, 10:03
Definitely. I think Redhat 8.0 professional (for servers) cost about S$225, if i am not wrong. Another thing: a lot of cheap or free panels work with linux well.
Heng Chai
09-02-2003, 11:15
Website Hosting - IIS
Email Hosting - iMail or MS Exchange
FTP Hosting - Either IIS or 3rd party software, take your pick
My guess is you'll probably need Windows 2000 Server + iMail software. Windows 2000 does not come with any POP or IMAP mail server. Exchange is another possiblity but the costs are higher but they have a nicer system. If you want cheap, get a linux server. But then again, a linux server = recurring costs to host it, you might find that purchasing the iMail software might be cheaper in the long run.
Originally posted by sinnerzone
Definitely. I think Redhat 8.0 professional (for servers) cost about S$225, if i am not wrong. Another thing: a lot of cheap or free panels work with linux well.
What's wrong with getting the 3 isos?
khimhong
09-02-2003, 12:24
Getting the ISOs is for personal usage, i thought ? The professional one is must be bought right ?
It is perfectly legal to download the 3 iso. I believe the only difference for those paying and iso version is that support is given for those who pay.
khimhong
09-02-2003, 14:07
I know it is legal to download the 3 ISO, but is it legal to use it for commercial purposes ? There are several softwares available free for personal and education usage but not for commercial usage. Say now you want to use Linux Redhat 8 for web hosting sales, is it alright to used the downloaded copy ?
Originally posted by polarbear
If you want to cut costs, go on Linux. :D
I would love to go on Linux but the custom software I am installing currently only run on Win2K/NT.
Heng Chai
09-02-2003, 15:08
Originally posted by sinnerzone
I know it is legal to download the 3 ISO, but is it legal to use it for commercial purposes ? There are several softwares available free for personal and education usage but not for commercial usage. Say now you want to use Linux Redhat 8 for web hosting sales, is it alright to used the downloaded copy ?
Downloaded copies are legal for all uses. Its opensource.
Originally posted by ptham
I would love to go on Linux but the custom software I am installing currently only run on Win2K/NT.
What software is that? Maybe you can try WINE.
Hope I didn't stop anyone from going out to buy RH, they need all the money they can get.
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